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Turtle Soup Trading Strategy: Win Rate & Success Rate Explained

“What is the success rate of the Turtle Soup trading strategy?” is one of the most common questions traders ask before committing to it — and it deserves an honest answer rather than a made-up number. The truth is that Turtle Soup has no single fixed win rate: its success depends heavily on the conditions you trade it in, how strictly you follow the rules, and how you manage risk. This article explains what actually drives the Turtle Soup win rate, why published “success rates” should be treated with caution, and how to measure it properly for yourself.
The Inner Circle Traders
Updated August 2026
9 min read
Cluster: Models & Sessions
Key Takeaways
  • The Turtle Soup strategy has no single, universal success rate — any specific number quoted without stated conditions is a red flag.
  • Win rate is driven by context: alignment with the higher-timeframe bias, the session it forms in, and how strictly the rules are followed.
  • A high win rate means little on its own — risk-to-reward and consistency determine whether a strategy is actually profitable.
  • The only success rate that matters is your own, measured from a proper backtest and forward test of your exact rules.
  • Turtle Soup is a fake-breakout reversal pattern — a high-probability setup within a plan, not a standalone money machine.

What Is Turtle Soup, in Brief

Before talking success rate, a quick recap. Turtle Soup is a fake-breakout reversal strategy. Price pushes just beyond a recent high or low — tripping the stops of traders who expected a breakout — and then quickly reverses back inside the range. You enter against the failed breakout, in the direction of the reversal, with a tight stop just past the wick.
Because it targets the exact moment a breakout fails, Turtle Soup can be a high-probability entry. But “high-probability” is not a number, and that is where the success-rate question gets complicated.
TURTLE SOUP — THE FAKE BREAKOUT REVERSAL PRIOR HIGH (stops rest above) 1. SWEEP (fake breakout) 2. REVERSAL (the trade) Enter short on the failure back below the high

Figure 1 — Turtle Soup: price sweeps just beyond a prior high (tripping breakout stops), then fails and reverses. The entry is against the failed breakout, with a stop just above the sweep wick.

Why There Is No Single "Success Rate"

Search for the Turtle Soup success rate and you will find figures ranging anywhere from 40% to 80%. Treat all of them with caution. A win rate is only meaningful if you know the exact conditions that produced it, and almost none of those quoted numbers state them.
The same pattern can produce wildly different results depending on:
What changes the win rate

Directional bias. A Turtle Soup taken with the higher-timeframe daily bias behaves very differently from one taken against it. Same pattern, very different outcome.

Session and timing. A sweep during a kill zone at a session open carries more weight than the same shape in dead, low-liquidity hours.

Which level was swept. A sweep of a significant, obvious high or low (where real stops rest) is stronger than a sweep of a minor, meaningless wick.

Rule strictness. Two traders using “Turtle Soup” may have different entry triggers, stop rules, and filters — so they are effectively trading different strategies with different win rates.

This is why a single headline number is misleading. The honest answer to “what is the success rate?” is: it depends on how, when, and where you trade it — and that is within your control.

Win Rate Is Not the Same as Profitability

Here is the point most beginners miss: a high win rate does not mean a strategy makes money, and a lower win rate does not mean it loses money. What matters is win rate combined with risk-to-reward.
Turtle Soup naturally suits a favourable risk-to-reward because the stop is tight — placed just beyond the failed-breakout wick — while the target can be a much larger move back into the range or toward the opposing liquidity. A modest win rate with 3:1 reward-to-risk is a genuinely strong profile. So chasing a high win rate is the wrong goal; chasing a positive expectancy is the right one.
WHY WIN RATE ALONE IS MISLEADING 70% win · 0.5:1 R LOSES MONEY 40% win · 3:1 R PROFITABLE 50% win · 3:1 R Reward-to-risk matters more than raw win rate

Figure 2 — The same win rate can win or lose depending on reward-to-risk. A 40% win rate at 3:1 beats a 70% win rate at 0.5:1. Expectancy, not win rate, decides profitability.

The number that actually matters: expectancy

Expectancy = (win rate × average win) − (loss rate × average loss). A strategy with a positive expectancy makes money over a large sample even if it loses more trades than it wins. This is the figure to optimise — not the raw win rate.

Realistic Expectations

Rather than quote a false precise number, here is an honest framing. Traded selectively — only with the higher-timeframe bias, only on meaningful sweeps, only in the right sessions — Turtle Soup can be a reliable, repeatable setup with a favourable risk-to-reward. Traded indiscriminately on every wick in every condition, its edge collapses.
In other words, the strategy does not have a success rate. You have a success rate, and it is a product of your selectivity and discipline. The filters above are what move the number in your favour.

How to Measure Your Own Success Rate

The only success rate you can trust is one you have measured yourself, on your exact rules. Here is how.
A simple, honest testing process

1. Write the rules down. Define exactly what counts as a valid Turtle Soup for you — which level, which session, which bias, the precise entry trigger, stop, and target. If it is not written, it cannot be tested.

2. Backtest a large sample. Go through historical charts and log every setup that met your rules — at least 50–100 trades. Record the outcome and the reward-to-risk of each.

3. Calculate win rate and expectancy. Both numbers together tell the real story. A 55% win rate at 2:1 is excellent; note it.

4. Forward test on a demo. Backtests flatter you because hindsight is easy. Trade the rules live on a demo account to see the real, in-the-moment win rate.

5. Only then go live, small. Once your own numbers hold up, trade small real size and keep logging. Your journal is your real success rate.

For the full entry, stop, and target mechanics behind the setup you will be testing, see the complete ICT Turtle Soup strategy guide. To place it within the wider toolkit, see the ICT trading models overview.

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